We study the natural gradient method for learning in deep Bayesian networks, including neural networks. There are two natural geometries associated with such learning systems consisting of visible and hidden units. One geometry is related to the full system, the other one to the visible sub-system. These two geometries imply different natural gradients. In a first step, we demonstrate a great simplification of the natural gradient with respect to the first geometry, due to locality properties of the Fisher information matrix. This simplification does not directly translate to a corresponding simplification with respect to the second geometry. We develop the theory for studying the relation between the t
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